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		<title>By: Ronnie Bradford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 03:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read eveybodys opinion , but i a christian and i believe if you and those in fear of circumstanse as you and others whom are preparing for , should read their bibles , and God promises he will never forsake us whom believe in his Son jesus ! There is where you began coming to know Jesus and what he has prepared for us . Now in theory it won&#039;t work if it is a chemical spill or a chemical leak , or chemcial attack ! there is no safe room the is going to filter out those chemicals in the air , once you open a door , there is a thing that any good mechanic could tell you , there is a think you would create and that is a vacuum , the out side pressure would rush in to equalize the pressure that is greater , which would be the outside air , and the chemicals in the air would only fill the room and the cycle would continue . The only filter would be for the chemical to disburse in to the air or in to the soil , which would mean that it may take months for the conctration of chemicals in the water soil and anythine exposed to the air will be contaminated and if , you or i were to open a sealed can of food then i would be contaminate as well . Then all you perperation is for not , you or i just injested the very same chemicals you trying to avoid ! Now i don&#039;t know anyone who would stay in a cold room for months on end , until they believe it is safe to come out . In the mean time what are you going to breath , i would guess air the same air that is saturated with the chemical you&#039;ve attempted to keep out of you safe zone . It sound good in theory , but i suggest you be come a person of faith and leave up to God whom has everything in comtrol , where you believe it or not !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read eveybodys opinion , but i a christian and i believe if you and those in fear of circumstanse as you and others whom are preparing for , should read their bibles , and God promises he will never forsake us whom believe in his Son jesus ! There is where you began coming to know Jesus and what he has prepared for us . Now in theory it won&#8217;t work if it is a chemical spill or a chemical leak , or chemcial attack ! there is no safe room the is going to filter out those chemicals in the air , once you open a door , there is a thing that any good mechanic could tell you , there is a think you would create and that is a vacuum , the out side pressure would rush in to equalize the pressure that is greater , which would be the outside air , and the chemicals in the air would only fill the room and the cycle would continue . The only filter would be for the chemical to disburse in to the air or in to the soil , which would mean that it may take months for the conctration of chemicals in the water soil and anythine exposed to the air will be contaminated and if , you or i were to open a sealed can of food then i would be contaminate as well . Then all you perperation is for not , you or i just injested the very same chemicals you trying to avoid ! Now i don&#8217;t know anyone who would stay in a cold room for months on end , until they believe it is safe to come out . In the mean time what are you going to breath , i would guess air the same air that is saturated with the chemical you&#8217;ve attempted to keep out of you safe zone . It sound good in theory , but i suggest you be come a person of faith and leave up to God whom has everything in comtrol , where you believe it or not !</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene Fields</title>
		<link>http://urbansurvivalplan.com/299/saferoom/comment-page-5/#comment-2690</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you I am reading and saving with my emergency information.   Also making my plans.  Bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you I am reading and saving with my emergency information.   Also making my plans.  Bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: AZdenny</title>
		<link>http://urbansurvivalplan.com/299/saferoom/comment-page-5/#comment-2583</link>
		<dc:creator>AZdenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do Tyvek suits with built in booties work good or should I look for the suits without them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do Tyvek suits with built in booties work good or should I look for the suits without them?</p>
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		<title>By: Donna C.</title>
		<link>http://urbansurvivalplan.com/299/saferoom/comment-page-5/#comment-2572</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really great info.  I have been prepping for years for economic collapse, government takeover, and even natural disasters and never thought about this kind of attack.  The material as well as comments are very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really great info.  I have been prepping for years for economic collapse, government takeover, and even natural disasters and never thought about this kind of attack.  The material as well as comments are very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Schaubel</title>
		<link>http://urbansurvivalplan.com/299/saferoom/comment-page-5/#comment-2557</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Schaubel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, As a WMD instructor and HAZ-MAT tech your info. is somewhat correct but leaves alot of holes that people need to be aware of. First of all its nice to have a gas mask BUT there are ALOT of considerations to understand before someone purchases one. There is no one size fits all when it comes to a mask and you need to have one that fits your face in orcder for it ti function correctly. Too small or too large and the mask will not seal. No seal means no protection. Then there is the issue of filters. Again there is no one magic bullet regarding filters. If you buy a mask with a Bio filter and go into a chen=mical agaent environment, ouu will die while wearig a gas mask! Same goes for entering a bio agent environment with a chem agent filter. It has to be specific to the threat! Another thing people MUST relaize is that a gas mask IS NOT a breathing apprataus. It does not provide you air like the tanks and masks firefighters wear. What we taught responders at the Homeland Security training facility I worked at was that you MUST have a sufficent quanity of air AND know the concentration of the agent your dealing with in order for the masks to work. There have been incidents where wrokers wearing a gas masks went into manholes or sewer systems to rescue a buddy and died because there was an oxygen deficient environment.

The other piece that was missing was that the gas mask is THE VERY LAST thing to come off when conducting decon. It is important for people to remember to ONLY touch the inside of their suit when removing it because as you stated the outside is contaminated. Once everythig is removed and your ready to enter your cold zone is the mask removed and left in the warm zone. The issue is IF you were actually in a true contaminated HOT zone you would need to don your protective gear again in order to decon the gear you just took off. 
DUCT Tape IS NOT recommended for use in a chemical environment!!! First of all when you go to remove it from a Tyvek suit it will adhere to the suit and rip it as you try to remove it from the cuffs and ankles. This now makes the suit unusable. Additionally duct tape WILL degrade (read MELT) when it come into contact with certain agents. For instance if you you were to use it as a means of protection in a chlorine spill, it will literall mely within a few minutes of exposure to the gas. Again you now have NO protection at all. The second point is that you dont have to carry an entire roll of duct tape on your wrist. Think of how heavy and cumbersome that would be. All you have to do is tear a long strip and place one strip on each arm and each leg as a means of emerency repair.

The last point is that if at all possible a safe room should be considered on an upper floor. This is because MOST (read NOT ALL)chemical agents and toxic industrial chemicals (TICS) are heavire then air, forcing them into or below ground level. If a amily made their basement a safe room for a chemical attack this may actually lead to thier demise, as the agent is going to see the lowest point. 

These are just a few of the issues that people should be aware of when considering a protective posture.
Thanks for your site and the great information,
Bill S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, As a WMD instructor and HAZ-MAT tech your info. is somewhat correct but leaves alot of holes that people need to be aware of. First of all its nice to have a gas mask BUT there are ALOT of considerations to understand before someone purchases one. There is no one size fits all when it comes to a mask and you need to have one that fits your face in orcder for it ti function correctly. Too small or too large and the mask will not seal. No seal means no protection. Then there is the issue of filters. Again there is no one magic bullet regarding filters. If you buy a mask with a Bio filter and go into a chen=mical agaent environment, ouu will die while wearig a gas mask! Same goes for entering a bio agent environment with a chem agent filter. It has to be specific to the threat! Another thing people MUST relaize is that a gas mask IS NOT a breathing apprataus. It does not provide you air like the tanks and masks firefighters wear. What we taught responders at the Homeland Security training facility I worked at was that you MUST have a sufficent quanity of air AND know the concentration of the agent your dealing with in order for the masks to work. There have been incidents where wrokers wearing a gas masks went into manholes or sewer systems to rescue a buddy and died because there was an oxygen deficient environment.</p>
<p>The other piece that was missing was that the gas mask is THE VERY LAST thing to come off when conducting decon. It is important for people to remember to ONLY touch the inside of their suit when removing it because as you stated the outside is contaminated. Once everythig is removed and your ready to enter your cold zone is the mask removed and left in the warm zone. The issue is IF you were actually in a true contaminated HOT zone you would need to don your protective gear again in order to decon the gear you just took off.<br />
DUCT Tape IS NOT recommended for use in a chemical environment!!! First of all when you go to remove it from a Tyvek suit it will adhere to the suit and rip it as you try to remove it from the cuffs and ankles. This now makes the suit unusable. Additionally duct tape WILL degrade (read MELT) when it come into contact with certain agents. For instance if you you were to use it as a means of protection in a chlorine spill, it will literall mely within a few minutes of exposure to the gas. Again you now have NO protection at all. The second point is that you dont have to carry an entire roll of duct tape on your wrist. Think of how heavy and cumbersome that would be. All you have to do is tear a long strip and place one strip on each arm and each leg as a means of emerency repair.</p>
<p>The last point is that if at all possible a safe room should be considered on an upper floor. This is because MOST (read NOT ALL)chemical agents and toxic industrial chemicals (TICS) are heavire then air, forcing them into or below ground level. If a amily made their basement a safe room for a chemical attack this may actually lead to thier demise, as the agent is going to see the lowest point. </p>
<p>These are just a few of the issues that people should be aware of when considering a protective posture.<br />
Thanks for your site and the great information,<br />
Bill S.</p>
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		<title>By: Gouchybear</title>
		<link>http://urbansurvivalplan.com/299/saferoom/comment-page-5/#comment-2534</link>
		<dc:creator>Gouchybear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still alive, David!  Thanks for the information!  Locked and loaded here...

&quot;Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon&quot;.  John Wayne, The Undefeated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still alive, David!  Thanks for the information!  Locked and loaded here&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon&#8221;.  John Wayne, The Undefeated</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://urbansurvivalplan.com/299/saferoom/comment-page-5/#comment-2513</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like all things this sounds good in theory, it&#039;s better than nothing. But you know someone will take a skip a procedure,for whatever reason, and screw things up. Then you will have to dig a grave. I agree with Merle with no incoming air where&#039;s the oxygen going to come from? Dosen&#039;t take long to use up a room full of oxygen. Do you also buy oxygen tanks? The machines that make oxygen out of room air need electricity to work. And even if you had a way to run one of the machines wouldn&#039;t it eventually create a vacuum of it&#039;s own?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like all things this sounds good in theory, it&#8217;s better than nothing. But you know someone will take a skip a procedure,for whatever reason, and screw things up. Then you will have to dig a grave. I agree with Merle with no incoming air where&#8217;s the oxygen going to come from? Dosen&#8217;t take long to use up a room full of oxygen. Do you also buy oxygen tanks? The machines that make oxygen out of room air need electricity to work. And even if you had a way to run one of the machines wouldn&#8217;t it eventually create a vacuum of it&#8217;s own?</p>
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		<title>By: DAY</title>
		<link>http://urbansurvivalplan.com/299/saferoom/comment-page-5/#comment-2507</link>
		<dc:creator>DAY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HAVEN&#039;T SEEN ANYONE MENTION KEEPING A LOT OF INDOOR PLANTS THAT TAKE IN A LOT OF CO2 AND GIVE OUT A LOT OF OXYGEN INSIDE THOSE SEALED UP ROOMS, OR ARE YOU GONNA STORE SOME OXYGEN TANKS????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HAVEN&#8217;T SEEN ANYONE MENTION KEEPING A LOT OF INDOOR PLANTS THAT TAKE IN A LOT OF CO2 AND GIVE OUT A LOT OF OXYGEN INSIDE THOSE SEALED UP ROOMS, OR ARE YOU GONNA STORE SOME OXYGEN TANKS????</p>
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		<title>By: val</title>
		<link>http://urbansurvivalplan.com/299/saferoom/comment-page-5/#comment-2502</link>
		<dc:creator>val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dave for all your information. I just want to say, however, that I would like people to consider that all this energy they are giving to FEAR is not helping the general energetic atmosphere. My husband always says &quot;Be alert, not alarmed.&quot; and I think it&#039;s pretty good advice for any situation.

Please stop insisting that some catastrophy is absolutely going to  happen. I&#039;m certainly going to take basic precautions (mainly for weather and natural disaster issues), continue gardening and canning (for saving money, as well as keeping a food stock for leaner financial times &#039;just in case&#039;), and I am also allowing myself a FEW precautions for civil unrest.

This civil unrest, however, will come from people who either did not prepare for events, or who are taking advantage of a chaotic situation.  Just think about your &#039;civil unrest&#039; precautions as ones you&#039;d consider taking just in case there is an earthquake in your area (and miraculously your home still is standing). You&#039;ll be worrying about the folks whose homes are NOT still standing, and you probably have a good reason to be.

In those situations, survival in place might not be your best option! I personally would recommend a good bug out location, keep your to go bags ready, and find a really great way to hide your surplus food (randsack your kitchen so looters think you&#039;ve already been hit). One idea a friend of mine had was to create a false wall with storage shelves behind it just wide enough for food storage (ie. jars and cans). Then put pegs on the outside of it and hang old jackets and beat up baseball hats from it on your way out the door. No one will suspect anything else is behind that wall (try beadboard, it&#039;ll be easier to hide seams because...well...it&#039;s full of seams already!).

If your food is gone when you finally return, well hopefully you already had a buried store of food (we are planning to dig out a spot near our tree line, line it in concrete, and then plant pricker bushes all around the opening....planting one in a container that will be atop the moss-covered hatch. Before bugging out, we could try to slip over to the hatch, open it up, and store a stash of food in there for our return...if we ever do return).

Anyway, back to my point about energy. We all...each of us...helps create the energy field around our community. Build an aura of peace, cooperation and a believe in the ability of our country to avoid catastrophy if we put our minds to it.  Stay alert, not alarmed people. That alarm feeds that negative energy.  Be joyful about your preparations, and then try to put them somewhat out of your mind as you live your life.

Don&#039;t feed the FEAR. Nourish the belief that a great energetic shift is upon us, and we can choose a more positive outlook on life. 

Do what you can with what you have, and then just live your life. What is a life worth if it is spent in constant FEAR and stress about something that may or may not happen??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dave for all your information. I just want to say, however, that I would like people to consider that all this energy they are giving to FEAR is not helping the general energetic atmosphere. My husband always says &#8220;Be alert, not alarmed.&#8221; and I think it&#8217;s pretty good advice for any situation.</p>
<p>Please stop insisting that some catastrophy is absolutely going to  happen. I&#8217;m certainly going to take basic precautions (mainly for weather and natural disaster issues), continue gardening and canning (for saving money, as well as keeping a food stock for leaner financial times &#8216;just in case&#8217;), and I am also allowing myself a FEW precautions for civil unrest.</p>
<p>This civil unrest, however, will come from people who either did not prepare for events, or who are taking advantage of a chaotic situation.  Just think about your &#8216;civil unrest&#8217; precautions as ones you&#8217;d consider taking just in case there is an earthquake in your area (and miraculously your home still is standing). You&#8217;ll be worrying about the folks whose homes are NOT still standing, and you probably have a good reason to be.</p>
<p>In those situations, survival in place might not be your best option! I personally would recommend a good bug out location, keep your to go bags ready, and find a really great way to hide your surplus food (randsack your kitchen so looters think you&#8217;ve already been hit). One idea a friend of mine had was to create a false wall with storage shelves behind it just wide enough for food storage (ie. jars and cans). Then put pegs on the outside of it and hang old jackets and beat up baseball hats from it on your way out the door. No one will suspect anything else is behind that wall (try beadboard, it&#8217;ll be easier to hide seams because&#8230;well&#8230;it&#8217;s full of seams already!).</p>
<p>If your food is gone when you finally return, well hopefully you already had a buried store of food (we are planning to dig out a spot near our tree line, line it in concrete, and then plant pricker bushes all around the opening&#8230;.planting one in a container that will be atop the moss-covered hatch. Before bugging out, we could try to slip over to the hatch, open it up, and store a stash of food in there for our return&#8230;if we ever do return).</p>
<p>Anyway, back to my point about energy. We all&#8230;each of us&#8230;helps create the energy field around our community. Build an aura of peace, cooperation and a believe in the ability of our country to avoid catastrophy if we put our minds to it.  Stay alert, not alarmed people. That alarm feeds that negative energy.  Be joyful about your preparations, and then try to put them somewhat out of your mind as you live your life.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t feed the FEAR. Nourish the belief that a great energetic shift is upon us, and we can choose a more positive outlook on life. </p>
<p>Do what you can with what you have, and then just live your life. What is a life worth if it is spent in constant FEAR and stress about something that may or may not happen??</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Riordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Riordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live far away from nuclear reactors, but there are chemical plants near me that could rupture in a disaster.  And how far can killer radiation from a ruptured reactor mess travel?  There are probably a lot more  dangers than I realize.  I have a lot of plastic and duct tape around, but I will need the masks and suits.  I live in a back split and I think it will be adaptable to the set-up.  Thanks, Brian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live far away from nuclear reactors, but there are chemical plants near me that could rupture in a disaster.  And how far can killer radiation from a ruptured reactor mess travel?  There are probably a lot more  dangers than I realize.  I have a lot of plastic and duct tape around, but I will need the masks and suits.  I live in a back split and I think it will be adaptable to the set-up.  Thanks, Brian.</p>
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